tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post6744745547711467177..comments2023-10-02T10:57:07.769+02:00Comments on Birdseed's Tunedown: Hate Thy NeighbourBirdseedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01161105277182690887noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-11347060220506538452008-05-26T08:22:00.000+02:002008-05-26T08:22:00.000+02:00By the way...maybe this could interest you...http:...By the way...maybe this could interest you...<BR/><BR/>http://www.border-blaster.com/makeitblastAnton Hultberg Hansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01013809633761667335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-5735997519758318392008-05-25T23:11:00.000+02:002008-05-25T23:11:00.000+02:00If you bothered to read the link to my earlier blo...If you bothered to read the link to my earlier blogposting you would have seen that you missed my point slightly. <BR/><BR/>(here is the rerun: http://antonhultberghansen.blogspot.com/2008/04/frtydligande.html)<BR/><BR/>I am no longer part of the Dj Premier worshipping backpacker mafia. And I dont think that this group is underrepresented in the swedish hiphop scene. You might be right that this is generally what the swedish, middle class based, hiphop-scene embraces. <BR/><BR/>But I did not call for more tributes to Jay-Dee. I called for the youth to start viewing hiphop as their music and a way of making their voices heard. Plus I called for academics to get involved and give some perspective to the discussion on hiphop, which is, truthfully speaking...pitiful.Anton Hultberg Hansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01013809633761667335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-54913611930183125402008-05-25T12:06:00.000+02:002008-05-25T12:06:00.000+02:00Do you really think the hip-hop "movement" itself,...Do you really think the hip-hop "movement" itself, especially the very middle-classy one we've got here in Sweden, is able to give a more objective view of the phenomenon? The hip-hop "elites" (who inevitably would be the ones with the voice) don't have the clearest view of a genre where a very significant portion of artists work under very different premises than they do.<BR/><BR/>I think "your side" of hip-hop does as much distortin' as any of the entertainment journalists. Fact is, hip-hop is a very broad genre encompassing all sort of internal oppositions and if anything needs to be treated with the complexity it deserves. Reducing hip-hop to a <I>political, word-skill-based, sample-oriented</I> genre is actually possibly worse than reducing it to a <I>dance-based, functional-worded, mostly electronic</I> genre because the latter is definitely dominant today, like it or not, and also probably better represents hip-hop's origins.Birdseedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01161105277182690887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-73708371515603253232008-05-24T23:37:00.000+02:002008-05-24T23:37:00.000+02:00Personally, I don't have any problem hating a vari...Personally, I don't have any problem hating a variety of genres. I don't see how my personal musical preferences could be harmful to anyone. Besides I think that musical tribalism furthers subcultural bonding and creativity. <BR/><BR/>However - I do make a distinction between me - the person, and me - the journalist. When I write articles or do stuff on the radio - I try to keep my cool and avoid getting excessively hateful. I guess my blog is somewhere in between - a semi-public space where I sometimes air my private thoughts. <BR/><BR/>Anyway. You say that Fredrik Strage is a good example of a journalist who can handle vertical communication - from prole-artists to middle class consumers. I do not agree. Hip hop does not need more nerdy, ironic journalists who poke fun at the genre. Hip hop needs to wake the fuck up! <BR/><BR/>After the Don Imus incident, the neocons are trying to blame hiphop for the violence, teenage pregnancies and other problems of the ghetto. Take a look at what Bill Cosby is doing now...scary stuff. <BR/><BR/>I think we need to start taking hiphop seriously. And I believe that academics play an important role in this process. Academics tend to go beyond the trend-sensetive music journalism, and attempt to see the bigger picture. <BR/><BR/>While journalists will tell you that Tupac was cool, or that he was a "real" thug. They will not inform you about his political views and his connection to the black power movement. <BR/><BR/>I think that the entry of the hiphop-generation into the universities all over the world can balance the nonsensical music and nonsensical reporting we have seen the last ten years (just go back and listen to your old Public Enemy or BDP records and you see what I mean). <BR/><BR/>Check this posting: <BR/>http://antonhultberghansen.blogspot.com/2008/04/frtydligande.html<BR/><BR/>So in conclusion: No - I dont think we need more nerdy journalists with no connection to hip hop writing about hip hop. What we need is for the hip hop activists to ally themselves with the academics...Anton Hultberg Hansenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01013809633761667335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-38072980529131658882008-05-22T20:25:00.000+02:002008-05-22T20:25:00.000+02:00Well there's spaces and spaces I guess. I mean, ma...Well there's spaces and spaces I guess. I mean, maybe "they" don't frequent your cocktail parties but you can't help run across "them" in the street, talking in restaurants, on public transport. Then there' the media space - the media tends to do a lot of lumping together of people negatively. And I guess discourse space as well - I've heard plenty of old hungarian ladies talk really unpleasantly about roma that they at most encounter at the market or in the street. It's not going to be very remote people you discuss negatively in your everyday life. (In fact I can think of good examples of people idealising an oppressed group in another country while hating the ones at home, German extreme-right hip-hoppers and all.)<BR/><BR/>That said I guess it's the richest in society, at least here, who most despise immigrants and the working class. Maybe neighbours-once-removed, then.Birdseedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01161105277182690887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-60624511868139772122008-05-22T17:35:00.000+02:002008-05-22T17:35:00.000+02:00interesting -- i'm in the process of working up an...interesting -- i'm in the process of working up another long post, and maybe something else (a proper article?) that deals with the notion of neighbors and music. worth bearing what you describe in mind, though i wonder how we're to define "neighbors" across these various contexts. how many of these people are actually sharing physical/social spaces?wayne&waxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05320768422428588508noreply@blogger.com