tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post8185303498462672346..comments2023-10-02T10:57:07.769+02:00Comments on Birdseed's Tunedown: Insane Musicians and the Proper Attitude Towards DiseaseBirdseedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01161105277182690887noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-32852571939967620442008-07-18T17:18:00.000+02:002008-07-18T17:18:00.000+02:00The mentally ill as more authentic goes back to th...The mentally ill as more authentic goes back to the romantics I think (probably can find the origins of the bohemian artistic drug addict there too). I don't know if people like artists like Curtis and Screw because of their mental illness or drug addictions, but I'll agree that those things tend to come front and center in the critical discourse, which is unfortunate. But there has to be something in the music to make people want to talk about it in the first place.Gavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13465384822564027635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-42403289234814756472008-07-18T16:02:00.000+02:002008-07-18T16:02:00.000+02:00Isn't syrup popular precisely for being hella chea...Isn't syrup popular precisely for being hella cheap? Or am I thinking about "tippin on 4-4's"?<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I feel pretty crap for listening to artists like Amy Winehouse. But it's hard to resist human nature. Sinners are ultimately more entertaining than saints. I think it's cool in music because music can be that type of diary thing and you might exaggerate in music or otherwise open up real deep without actually being that depressed relative to the average. But when you start to see the depression/illness in real life too, or on TMZ, I agree someone's gotta step in.<BR/><BR/>edit: Finally checked the links. Thanksquanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03102639273079228144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-65599109926249865112008-07-17T05:12:00.000+02:002008-07-17T05:12:00.000+02:00This comment has been removed by the author.quanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03102639273079228144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-46304775320703790022008-07-16T23:51:00.000+02:002008-07-16T23:51:00.000+02:00I don't know the relative price of crack vs. syrup...I don't know the relative price of crack vs. syrup on the street, can anyone enlighten me?Birdseedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01161105277182690887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-85953212484702246212008-07-16T17:29:00.000+02:002008-07-16T17:29:00.000+02:00Slow diction and half-closed eyes sounds like the ...Slow diction and half-closed eyes sounds like the result of syrup sipping. MaĆ½be now, having made this years most popular beat (A milli), he can step up the drug game and afford some coke?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-91545680598964320872008-07-16T15:43:00.000+02:002008-07-16T15:43:00.000+02:00I think you're underestimating peer pressure. If y...I think you're underestimating peer pressure. If your popularity is based on a certain way of acting (because people are "relating to what you're feeling", maybe) then changing your behaviour is not an easy thing to do. Criminals and drug addicts who try to clean up their acts often report that the most difficult thing is that their social circles and their networks of affirmation are encouraging them to fall back into bad behaviour, and I think that's probably true of these musicians as well.<BR/><BR/>As a thought experiment, imagine Ian Curtis going on to write disco lyrics about happy dancing and readily available sex. Do you think people would still buy into it?Birdseedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01161105277182690887noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6146962885201070339.post-4596707474003075512008-07-16T14:15:00.000+02:002008-07-16T14:15:00.000+02:00I think that art of whatever form is an expression...I think that art of whatever form is an expression of the human experience. The reason people found value in Ian Curtis' work with Joy Division wasn't because they wanted him to die, but because they related to what he was feeling. <BR/><BR/>The fans weren't demanding more depressive songs, they either found that they were helped by feeling less alone, and the knowledge they weren't the only ones feeling like that, or they just liked the music. I think blaming fans for a musicians death is incredibly unfair. If even those close to him didn't think he was suicidal or couldn't help him how could a fan?<BR/><BR/>I absolutely agree that we shouldn't encourage mental illness as a means to produce art, but being able to see through art what people are going through by their art, is really valuable.Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11357218009080885153noreply@blogger.com